SPEAKER_00: 0:13

Hello and welcome to Let's Talk Procurement, the only show you need to master the art of procurement. Let's go. Hello, listeners, and welcome to another episode of the Let's Talk Procurement Podcast. Got a cracking episode ahead. With me as always in the studio is uh Luke Ten. How are you doing, my friend?

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Acceptable. I'm acceptable. I um I'm feeling how am I feeling? I'd say approximately seven out of ten.

SPEAKER_00: 0:45

It's not bad. I'd say you you look nine out of ten today.

SPEAKER_02: 0:50

What nine out of ten fatigue? No, no catches, just a compliment. I've just got trouble from you uh from you hating on me all the time.

SPEAKER_00: 1:03

Don't blame you. Um if we had a hate child department, I'd be in trouble, that's all I could say. I think uh it's been a while actually, hasn't it? It has been a while. It always feels like it has.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13

Yeah, we've we've pretty much used most of the bank, haven't we? At this point.

SPEAKER_00: 1:19

At this point, yeah.

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I think this will probably go out after some episodes that we're due to record. Um so hopefully we'll have refilled the bank by then.

SPEAKER_00: 1:29

Yeah, look, I'm not gonna lie, I want to dive straight into this first bit because I've been buzzing about this all day. Um so expectations. Uh definitely if you've got any shouts or ideas for this, drop us uh an email on two luke's one sip at gmail.com. That's the number two Luke's the number one CIP at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49

We should say actually that the idea for this came from uh from a listener. Came from Janet, didn't it? This this segment.

SPEAKER_00: 1:57

Sorry, Janet can piss her right off. This came from me. Um so yeah, sorry, Janet, but this wasn't your idea. I know Luke's trying to be nice. Janet inspired. Yeah, maybe Janet inspired. Um so so I sent Luke a challenge this morning, um, and myself as well, actually, and it was to come up with some procurement puns where they are you are mixing procurement buzzwords with countries. So you come up with a with a country. Uh the one I used was um actually pretty intense for an example, but it was uh Uzpakistan. So instead of Uzbekistan, you've got proc in there for procurement. So um Uzpakistan. That was that was the gauntlet thrown in. And uh I think you've had a few hours to think about it, haven't you?

SPEAKER_02: 2:48

Yeah. How many of those hours was I thinking about it is a different question.

SPEAKER_00: 2:54

I don't think you've taken your mind off it. I mean, I I had I have a lot of great thoughts in the shower, and that's where I came up with probably the my my favourite two personally, but I'm interested to see what you've come up with, and maybe we've got a little bingo match where we've no snap. Snap where we've uh both come up with the same idea.

unknown: 3:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00: 3:14

Do you wanna do you wanna reel off your worst one?

SPEAKER_02: 3:18

They're all equal, they're all equal, bad.

SPEAKER_00: 3:21

Uh okay.

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Right, I've got a small uh small island nation in Asia, IT Taiwan.

SPEAKER_01: 3:29

Are you done? That's so bad.

SPEAKER_00: 3:34

That's ITT, yeah, invitation to Taiwan.

SPEAKER_02: 3:38

Invitation to Taiwan, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 3:41

Great, you go next. I'll pick my worst one, yeah. Um Shri quotes Lanka.

SPEAKER_01: 3:49

Why are we still here? Just to suffer.

SPEAKER_02: 3:54

So like three quotes. I've got to like that one. God, if that's your worst one, I'm in trouble here. Um I will say, by the way, I genuinely did probably think about this for five minutes and then got along with the rest of my days. So uh that's the precursor to um to the North American country. Uh it's not Canada, it's can I get a discount?

SPEAKER_01: 4:25

Can I get a discount?

SPEAKER_00: 4:27

Well, I actually like that. That's so bad, it's it's pretty good. Um alright, I'll chuck a couple in. RF Island.

SPEAKER_02: 4:36

Oh, that's yeah. That was right there. That was right there for the taking.

SPEAKER_00: 4:41

Another one that comes in quite quite nicely with RF Island is uh Priceland.

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Yes, yeah. Smart.

SPEAKER_00: 4:49

Smart. Couple there. Uh I've got two more. I'm saving the best one for for last.

SPEAKER_02: 4:55

Um no, I I've got one more, got one more. South America, I might visit this on my travels uh one time. It's Arjun Bayer. What? Where's the pun in that?

SPEAKER_00: 5:08

You just shove bio in I guess two. I thought that was the game. You just butchered a country in half. That's like going and th instead of Sweden, just going Swee Tender.

SPEAKER_02: 5:20

There you go, yeah, that's perfect.

SPEAKER_00: 5:23

Christ. Go on then.

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I've got high expectations for these last two.

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The last uh I've got quote Beck. Oh well.

SPEAKER_02: 5:35

Wait, isn't that City?

SPEAKER_00: 5:37

Could be. I wasn't sure, but I liked anyway. Um And then my favourite, um I probably overrugged it a little bit. Uh packaged on. You know how we uh we have to make sure everything's properly packaged. I thought, yeah, packaged on is quite good.

SPEAKER_02: 5:54

I think I think uh RF Island was uh was my favourite. Simple, straight to the point.

SPEAKER_00: 6:03

Yeah. Well, if you've got any l uh any ideas, listeners, let us know. I'm sure we've missed some really obvious ones. Um But there you go. Let us know if you can top Uz Pakistan or uh Arjun tender or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_02: 6:27

So uh today we are celebrating, aren't we? Yes. I've got a um a glass a cold glass of lemonade good man. What we're celebrating today is um the end well hopefully, hopefully, touch everyone's saying it's hopefully the end of my sips study journey. Um I have submitted my final assignment. It's actually been probably about a month since I submitted it, but we've just not we've not been recorded, we've not really recorded since then. Um this is the first time we could catch up about it, but I have submitted my module six for the uh uh assignment group. That's the last one. Um nice. That is the fifth essay I've submitted, even though it's module six. Because the last sorry, the the penultimate two module four and five were combined together as one. Um so what I've had to do to get to this point is obviously level four did that via the the normal usual exam route. Um yeah. So that got me that got me into the advanced practitioner course. And since then I've done uh three 3,000-word assignments, one 6,000-word assignment, and this last one, which was 10,000 words. Uh and the title of this one is Project and Programme Change Management in Procurement and Supply.

SPEAKER_00: 8:09

Did I just say that's 25,000 words you've had to write for levels five and six?

SPEAKER_02: 8:16

I d I don't I can't work out if that seems like a lot or not a lot.

SPEAKER_00: 8:20

I don't know, I feel like it sounds like a lot. If that was all if that was all in one one document, you'd probably have a good novel.

SPEAKER_02: 8:27

Yes, yeah. Um I can't actually remember how many pages my uh my last assignment was. I want to say it's like 40 pages, the 10,000-word one.

SPEAKER_00: 8:40

Are you uh are you that person who uses size 45 fonts, so it looks like there's more than there's one letter on each yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 8:49

Um no, so so SIPS actually sets uh font size. There's a requirement on how many you can uh how me how well you know that there's a requirement you have to be this one and it has to be this size. There you go, 59 pages. Um but that does include a few pages of annexes, uh a few pages of kind of references and bibliography. Um so yeah, so that one was 59 pages. This last one.

SPEAKER_00: 9:23

Well, that must have felt like an absolute grind.

SPEAKER_02: 9:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it did. Um I I feel like I'm quite lucky in terms of I had quite a bit of time that I could set aside to it. I think I really would have struggled if I you know had had other requirements like yourself. You've got you've got a little little Luca, haven't you, to uh to contend with. He's taking up tons of your time. Um so I'm lucky in that respect that I although I'm I'm his pod father, I don't have yeah, I don't have you know as much, quite as much responsibility as you do in regards to uh that's a fair point.

SPEAKER_00: 10:01

That's a fair point. And I think um, you know, if you do have any kids out there, um you're certainly not in their life. So, you know. You're not paying for them, you're not, you're not kind of feeding them or housing them, they're just there. So confused. Are you? I'm just saying, you know, if you if you don't have any commitments, yeah, yeah, yeah. You personally, if you don't have other commitments, you're you know you're not committing to them anyway, even if they do exist, um, is what I'm saying. Right.

SPEAKER_02: 10:31

Right, okay. I see, I see where you're going with that. Um so the task um is quite a bit different to the other four assignments because you have to set your own question. I think we may have gone over this in a previous episode, um, but I've had to come up with my my own kind of question basically. I had to submit that uh title to SIPS. SIPS had to then approve it and say, yeah, that's all good for you to for you to write about. Um so the one I went for was enhancing stakeholder engagement through procurement efficiency and behavioral science within my company. Um and it as as all of these assignments do, they have to relate back to the company they're working for. Um so you can talk about theory, but you also need to talk about the application of that to your company. Um you can, if you work for a company that might be a bit funny about that, then you can say company A, company B. Um, so then you can say company A company B. Yeah, you just touch in the zone there. Um so and I think there's quite a wide variety of, well, in theory, you can write it about anything as long as you kind of put it back to procurement. Um the assignment question, well, the task section of it says you've been asked by your organization to propose and develop a procurement and supply-related business project to deliver clear benefits and sustainable improvement. Now, your report should be in the style of a business case and must demonstrate your understanding of there's four things here concepts of change management, aspects of programs and projects in organizations, approaches to the planning and management of projects, programs, and change initiatives, and contracting and financial options in projects and programs. It's a bit weird, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00: 12:46

I think well I say weird, coming from the exam route, this whole all four of those points feel very project managery and not procurement-y. Um, procurement is probably not a word, but it hopefully you get my criteria where yeah, yeah, let's let's let's do that. I think it just doesn't really seem like it's a like the final essay for a procurement qualification, and it's more focusing around how a program or project works. And I get that we often feed into projects or we have our own projects, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 13:17

Do you agree or does that yeah, definitely, definitely I found that quite a small majority is that a phrase? A small majority of the sources that I would look I was looking at were you know project management um organizations like uh newsletters or whatever the SIPS version of project managers is because there's a few different ones. Um and obviously you've got project program and change management, so there's a bit of change management stuff in there. Um but I think they they want that kind of that's on purpose because you need to be able to show that you've taken something and you've kind of implemented a change, or you or you're thinking about how you could implement a change, yeah. Rather than just stating, here's a theory and here's how it works in the company.

SPEAKER_00: 14:17

So if if what I'll do as well for the listeners, because this has been quite a nice um series of episodes, I think that the last episode we did was where we actually went through a couple of different options for your topics, um, and then that's how I think we came to your essay title. But I think what would be probably quite good as a next step is to understand from your perspective or SIPS perspective, what goes into that essay. So obviously, I presume, I say obviously, but I presume you get an introduction, a conclusion, um, as you tend to get those in most things anyway. Uh, but what goes into the main body? Like, do you have to do any research? Do you have to do any kind of actual work? Do you have to do stuff you know within your company? Just to kind of app break down, I think that'd be quite interesting.

SPEAKER_02: 15:01

That's uh that's like we planned this before. So this is what I wanted to talk about. So um obviously the ask was actually, I'll I'll circle back around to your point in a second. The ask obviously was about project and program change management. Um, in order to get my title approved, I had to do a proposal document and um I had to meet a number of criteria, which we we did talk about on the previous episode. Um, but I had to get sign off from a line manager. Um you then to help you, you've also got a guidance document from SIPS, which says the stuff I was talking about earlier in terms of it has to be this font size, this spacing between each paragraph, um, etc. etc. Uh also talks about the use of use of AI. Um and SIPS's approach to that, just to cover that quickly, was basically you can use it to research, um you can use it with like idea generation, but you shouldn't use it to write any of the words that go into the assignment. Because they want that to be your own content, which I guess that's kind of fair.

SPEAKER_00: 16:21

That's kind of fair. I think well, I think the the interesting thing on that is that there's a lot of flaws in using AI to do your research, um, because it will go and pick obviously from a database of different things. It won't verify whether the SIPS website is a better source than Wikipedia, for example.

SPEAKER_02: 16:38

Yeah, yeah. It does say as well, like you've got to make sure to verify your your sources. Um so then going on to like kind of what I did part. Um I found it quite hard to to kind of research without having written a bit. So I'd I think I think the way most people do it would be to do all their research and then do all the writing. Whereas I don't know if it's my my brain just doesn't work that way, or the topic I've picked doesn't work in that way. Um so mine obviously from the title, it's it's I don't know if that's obvious, but it's a number of small incremental changes rather than one like we're gonna implement electric vehicles or we're gonna change from business partnering to category management model. Um I suggested a lot of small little changes to be run as a program that could overall make stakeholder engagement better, basically. Um and I kind of structured it in a cert, so there's a set, there's a little bit of a set structure which you should follow. Um, however, you've got some flexibility within that. So obviously you've got to do an executive summary, which is a bit of a summary of the whole document. Um, then an introduction. As someone at some point in there, you've got to talk about how you did your primary research. So, what I did for primary research is I interviewed a few of the stakeholders in my company. Uh and obviously it being about enhancing stakeholders engagement, those were my primary kind of target people that I wanted to talk to, basically. Um sorry, I've lost the teams. Right, there you go. Um so then I because mine is a is a program, I then talked about kind of the program as a whole and introduced it, and that's when you get your theory in about what's a project versus what's a program. Yeah. Um obviously trying to demonstrate to the assessor that I half know what I'm talking about in terms of projects and programs.

SPEAKER_00: 19:01

U examples that you're you're working through.

SPEAKER_02: 19:03

Yeah, yeah. So then after that, I I talked about the current state of stakeholder engagement, what is done now in the company, uh, and yeah, the basic well, literally the current I called it the current state of stakeholder engagement. Um then I went on to talk about the two kind of headline topics, so procurement efficiency and behavioral science. And within those sections, I broke those down quite a bit. That's where the bulk of my my words were, effectively. And then after that, I talked about cost-benefit analysis. So the things that I'm suggesting, what are the benefits associated with that?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 19:50

First and what are the costs?

SPEAKER_00: 19:53

I presume that's the fourth bit of the four things you said around, I think you said about cost and finance in a put within a program.

SPEAKER_02: 20:00

Financial options, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 20:03

Uh then after that, you've obviously that informs your recommendations, isn't it?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 20:09

Then from then you can you can suggest, you know, if I've if I've talked about 20 different possible things and I've said 17 of them are viable options based on risk versus reward, I've then put that into an implementation plan about how you can then talk about how you can then introduce those things into the organization.

SPEAKER_00: 20:34

Okay. So it's basically like a full project, isn't it? It literally is describing a project from start to finish that I presume you actually have to deliver, at least partially.

SPEAKER_02: 20:46

Well, so you have to you either have to deliver it or you have to talk about how you would deliver it. There's no requirement, there's no official requirement on you having done the project. As in, you know, if you're talking about changing the fleet from petrol to electric cars, there's no requirement for you to have actually done that. Yeah. Just for you to talk about how you would do it, how you would implement it, how you would manage the change, how you would make sure the change is sustainable, right? And then how track the benefits of that at the end of it.

SPEAKER_00: 21:23

I suppose not every company is going to have someone go through their assignment that they're going to trust to do a project of that scale. Um, or be ready to do the project of that scale, right? If you if you're doing a big transformational project, it's it's money and time. So are you the right person in that role to be doing that and is it the right time? So you can't really coincide that with SIPs for everybody.

SPEAKER_02: 21:45

Yeah, yeah. I I would say I quite liked the sort of project and program element of it, because it's about kind of like creating a change and implementing that those the theories that. You find out through your secondary research into your company. The thing I also thought was pretty good, and this helped when I was struggling, uh, because I I was struggling a bit with, well, mine, is mine really a project? Because I'm just suggesting a lot of small little things. So you actually have three um, well, there's three mandatory project surgeries, they're called project surgeries with a SIPS tutor. So that's someone who works for SIPS, and you talk to them about how your kind of project of research, primary and secondary, is going. And you tell them about your title, and then they say, Have you thought about this? or how would you approach this situation? And they help you to kind of you know, they kind of point you in the right direction, I suppose. Yeah. And I found those really, really helpful.

SPEAKER_00: 22:57

That's good. How long were the sessions? I believe they were an hour long. Yeah, that's quite good. That's that's similar to a dissertation, then, um, in that sense, where you have a bit of uh kind of mentorship, I suppose, guidance towards the right direction. Um which means you shouldn't shouldn't really fail, should you? I mean, if you've had that guidance and leadership.

SPEAKER_02: 23:19

Yeah, they they don't they don't ever get to see what you've written. Um so I suppose it's worth well it's definitely worth aligning everything that you want to talk about before you go into those sessions. Um the the woman who who was my tutor, she was probably sick of me turning up with loads of questions and just saying, I don't know what to do here, or I've thought about this for that section. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00: 23:46

Um did so did you prepare sessions then?

SPEAKER_02: 23:51

Sort of. I would I would go in with with a list of a few questions and say, and then yeah, and then kind of like few a few of my questions were about because we we get a crib sheet like all the others, you get a crib sheet to say you should try and hit these points. So for example, one of the one I talked about was how would you make sure the change is sustained in your company? Yeah. So I was like, oh, I don't really know what to write for this section. Uh and then she would just help me kind of think about they don't tell you the answer, obviously, but they help you think about what you should write for that section, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00: 24:30

Yeah, that kind of makes sense. Do you want to give her a shout out?

SPEAKER_02: 24:34

Shout out, Sandra, definitely.

SPEAKER_00: 24:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 24:37

Lovely, thank you. If you're doing the AP advanced practitioner course, um then she's uh yeah, she's really helpful and she's she's very calm about things, I think. Which uh which helps, you know, if you're going to her and you're stressing about, oh, there's only you know two months till submission, I don't know what to do. And she's quite good at helping you think and she's in the right job by the sounds of it. Oh, definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 25:06

Nice. And um how long do you have to do the whole essay process from sort of deciding your topic through to submission?

SPEAKER_02: 25:17

That is a good question that I should have looked at before.

SPEAKER_00: 25:22

It's not like you did it recently.

SPEAKER_01: 25:25

I okay we'll find out for you so. I submitted my proposal on what's that?

SPEAKER_02: 25:41

June, the 27th of June um and my final assignment submission date was mid-December, was that 14th of December, something like that?

SPEAKER_01: 25:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 25:53

So you get a good Yeah, and obviously you've you're thinking about it before that point. I'd say in all this probably about nine months from when they when when we did the classroom learning to when we submitted the assignment.

SPEAKER_00: 26:11

It's it's a long time, isn't it? I suppose, but then you probably fall into the trap that everyone does where you you think you've got ages and then all of a sudden it's like a month till till submission, and then you've got to probably do the bulk of your work towards closer to the deadline.

SPEAKER_02: 26:25

Yeah, definitely. And I fell into that trap a little bit. Um at the start, well, kind of in the middle where I got to the first project surgery, and I was like, Oh, I think I might start writing about this. And she was kind of like, Oh, by by this, you know, by this one, you probably should have like started, or you should have done this by now, basically. Um and then it that was helpful and we went to the second one because she said, Right, what I want you to have done by the second one is you know, this, that, and that. Um but yeah, it's definitely a what's the word? Self self-control type thing. Yeah, you can quite easily think, yeah, you can very you know there's no one on a day-to-day telling you you need to submit this this paragraph by 5 pm.

SPEAKER_00: 27:16

Yeah, and I think that's that's a reflection of what reality is at work, isn't it? It's not most of the time you you don't always have the deadlines that are hard. You've got to review a contract at some point, so do you do you do it by Monday or you know set yourself those deadlines and you'll achieve more, I think. So um, yeah. I feel like you've I feel like you've you've gone quite a lot through this process, and if I was to to look back and reflect, uh would I would I say you're worthy of uh the CIP? Yeah, I think I would. I think I think you've earned your stripes. I think um you put you've certainly put your effort in and um done the projects and things that would probably give you that that additional bit of knowledge. Uh I do feel like if you'd have done the assignment route from the start and not done level four, I feel like you could do the assignment and then somebody who's done the exam route come out, both equally worthy of SIPS, but both having completely different understandings or thought process of what SIPS is. Yeah. They don't seem that linked if you see if you if you get what I mean.

SPEAKER_02: 28:21

Yeah, and you're probably the perfect person to to know about that as well, because you have done the full exam route and you've heard me yap on about the assignment route for for a long time. Um but yeah, I I do I don't really want to jinx it, but when I submitted it, I was I was thinking like this I don't I don't really know what more I could put into it to make it a pass. Um I think it's just like one of those things as in it makes sense to me the way I've written it, but does it make sense to an examiner who's reading it objectively and has got to make that decision right? Have I hit the right points?

SPEAKER_00: 29:07

Yeah, and that's open to interpretation on any thing, isn't it? I I think if you've hit if you've hit the four points or the kind of guidance that you've been following, you should be should be spot on. And I mean, to be honest, if we if we I'll say if we fast forward a minute or two on this episode, you will find out if um although in reality that's still still a number of weeks away for for you, so yeah uh the listeners will feel like it's just happened really quickly, but for you it's you know a few more weeks of sleeping on it and and uh really wondering if you've made it into the uh hall of fame for procurement professionals. And uh I well I I do want to wish you all the best, mate. I I really do you know think it's a big big moment in your career, just as you decide to take a year off or whatever before the world. But it's it's under your belt then, isn't it? Hopefully.

SPEAKER_02: 29:59

So um this is the other thing that as as people who listen to what's currently the previous episode will know that I am taking a sabbatical from uh LTP Industries. Uh I'm gonna go do some travelling. So if I do end up failing, it would be difficult to rewrite and resubmit on the road. And I don't know what the requirements in terms of timescales are for that. Like if you get a week, a month, two months. Um I do intend even if I fail, I do intend to resubmit so at the past because I think it would be stupid not to, like I've done work. Yeah. Unless they say you're like, mate, just just give up. Like the feedback is no, this is rubbish.

SPEAKER_00: 30:50

Yeah, this isn't the career for you, mate. Like we're just not we're not gonna allow you to resubmit. It was that bad.

SPEAKER_02: 30:56

Yeah. Like I saw I saw a um a thing on social media the other day which said this woman finally passed her driving test after like 700 attempts. And I was thinking, like, do we really want this person to be on the road after that many attempts? But anyway, maybe that'll be me when I'm in my sixties or something.

SPEAKER_00: 31:15

Finally get your sips just as you retire. Yeah, yeah. Like that sounds like a like a plan. Um, I've just thought of one more. Um, the buyers. I feel like that was that's quite a good one, isn't it? Dubai, the buyers. Um, they're getting worse, mate. They're getting worse. Or the junior buyers. That's horrific. That's just the buyers is better. The buy. Um the buy. Yeah, so just a quick shout out and reminder to reach out if you do have any procurement buttons, if you do want to wish Luke all the best for his results. Um if you waited until the end of the video. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, uh, if you want to congratulate him or commiserate him, um, because remember, he doesn't know the results uh until this next part. And uh it's live for you guys, so um see how he does.

SPEAKER_02: 32:02

Depending on when the results get released, I I may be in an airport. So or at least on my way to if I'm not in an airport, if they get released before I leave, then yeah, I'll be uh I'll uh if they're before I leave, I'll have my massive backpack on and we can do uh we can do an episode like that.

SPEAKER_00: 32:22

I'll drop you off at the airport if that's alright. Yeah. We can we can rec we can wreck in the car.

SPEAKER_02: 32:29

I am I'm nervous, but I yeah, I put a lot of effort into it, so hopefully effort equals pass, we'll have to see.

SPEAKER_00: 32:36

No, you've got it in the bag. I uh the thing I always say about you is you you're just above average, and um that's what it takes to pass sips, so I would take that. Slightly above average, yeah. Um let's uh let's see how it goes.

SPEAKER_02: 32:54

Skip yeah, it's getting to about 30 seconds where I'll be extremely nervous. See you in a bit.

SPEAKER_00: 33:00

See you in a bit. Well Luke Ten is uh currently in the airport. Is it Gatwick? In Gatwick Airport, he's just he's just eaten a spoon's breakfast or lunch um at a million miles an hour, realised he's due to board, uh, went to the wrong gate, and uh now he's trying to log into SIP so he can see his live results and whether he has achieved MCIPS the day he is due to travel the world.

SPEAKER_02: 33:39

Um not too sure. Literally it's not like I think I did all I could at the time.

SPEAKER_01: 33:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 33:47

It's like, you know, I do what they're looking for and sort of stuff, right? You're not gonna be able to control the screen.

SPEAKER_00: 33:53

Yeah, so you've got to just go to it and um Am I looking for the right one?

SPEAKER_02: 33:58

I want that. I think you are, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 34:02

Yes in. He smashed it. That's unbelievable. In an airport. 71% He's smashed it. He's empty qualified just for awareness. He's been striping through the airport, walking towards the plane with with me on loudspeaker, celebrating his uh procurement results. So uh mate. I am literally just onto the plane view. Mate, all I can say is what an unbelievable way to end your uh your time in the company you work for and also uh the podcast, right, for now at least. And um, you know, you can just go off and enjoy your travels now, man. So that's me out for a good flight, so I hope your uh TV screen is working and you have a good flight, mate.

SPEAKER_02: 34:51

Justin hasn't been talking of just onto the plane, so that shows you all how close we're unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00: 34:58

Um look, thank you for your commitment and uh yeah, I guess we all wish you uh an amazing time traveling the world, mate.

SPEAKER_02: 35:06

Keep in touch. I'm not saying it's goodbye, I'm just saying we may never see you again.

SPEAKER_00: 35:10

Yeah, just just stay safe in Guatemala. I do, I do. All right, all right. See you later. Later. See you.